The following entry is a letter sent to the CEO of Champion Enterprises regarding problems the customer experienced with the Champion Redman Home built in the Chandler, AZ plant. I think you will agree the author(Allan) was very gracious and more than understanding in his assessment of the problems. Allan posted a two part letter previously in the comment section. This letter however, because of its length, is posted verbatim, as an entry.
Thank you Allan for sharing your experience with Champion.
August 8, 2007
Ref. Redman Home 762B
Mr. William C. Griffiths
President, CEO and Chairman
Champion Enterprises, Inc.
Suite 300
Auburn Hills, MI 48326
Dear Chairman Griffiths,
You may remember in my letter dated August 2, 2007, I
reported the collapse of our cabinet (pantry) in the kitchen of our Redman
Home, model 762B that we purchased in 2005.I also said I would undoubtedly follow up with a more detailed letter
regarding this house, so while all of our memories are still clear, this is
that letter.I have attempted to
structure it in the most logical and meaningful way, hoping you will direct
changes to your factory construction operations in various plants and thus
benefit your future customers.
But before I launch into these issues, I should explain
to you a few reasons why we purchased this home from Redman Homes, Inc. in
Chandler, AZ.You or someone in your
organization might find this background valuable in future marketing efforts
and improving the Champion product line.
My wife and I are retired, so we decided to sell our
house in the City of San Diego and move to property we bought more than fifteen
years ago.This was to be our retirement
home located on our 8.5 acre parcel in the mountains about 80 miles east of San
Diego.The significant decisions we made
after our retirement were serious life changing commitments and we made these
decisions very studiously.
We attempted to do our due diligence by researching every
aspect of manufactured homes and their respective companies because we believed
that on a square footage basis manufactured home costs were less than
conventionally built homes.We also,
somewhat erroneously, believed a manufactured home could be delivered and made
livable in a shorter period of time.Once
we settled on ‘manufactured type housing’ we began touring factories, reading
literature and questioning persons involved in manufacturing these homes.We spent at least a year researching this
significant monetary outlay for our future and making some trips to
manufactured homes factories.Our house
has been placed on a parcel of land in the very rural mountainous part of San
Diego County.Keeping in mind the
horrible Cedar Fire of 4 years ago that destroyed 2000 houses and killed 15
people we were very conscious that we needed a house that would provide the
best defense against a possible wildfire.I will not bore you with all the details about our research because we
could probably write a book about all the things we saw and responses we heard
to our questions, but suffice it to say when we bought our Redman model 762B we
felt comfortable we had made the right choice.We still believe we made the right choice and we have lived in this
house for seventeen months.We ordered
this home with certain options and upgrades that would best fit the site,
weather, man-made and God-made situations at this location.
So, with that little preamble let us launch into issues
we believe that you, as President, CEO and Chairman of Champion Enterprises,
Inc. should know.
Redman 762B
1.Structural
a.Floors. One of
the selling points made by a representative of your Chandler, AZ plant was that
the sub floor structural members and the panels used beneath the finished
flooring were such that there would be very minimal up and down floor
movement.We have not found this to be
the case.I would admit that it may have
something to do with the way the house is supported by jack stands.In our situation jack stands were placed by
an on-site contractor and with factory diagrams and directives this work may not
have been done correctly.There are certain
vertical movements of the floor that seem to us to be unnecessary.It might behoove Champion Enterprises, Inc.
and its various plants to provide jack placement service when a home is placed
at a permanent location.
b.Interior wall
alignment. Although it is not technically ‘structural’, it is probably assumed
by your customers that interior walls will line up when two halves of the house
are connected.One would assume that in
a factory manufacturing controlled situation walls would align properly, but
this has not been the case in our house.Imagine similarities in building an aircraft or a boat and having the
bulkheads from each half not align properly.Our interior walls did not align properly and were not in the same plane
by as much as three or more inches.This
seems to me to be entirely unacceptable and unnecessary for a “factory built”
house.Plant oversight and control can
certainly cause the close alignment of vertical finished wall surfaces.
c.Ceiling and
floor horizontal alignment. (This item is closely related to item 1 b above.)
At the centerline of both halves of the house, sometimes referred to as the
“marriage line”, neither the ceiling nor the floor aligned properly in
horizontal planes.This might be caused
by the inadequate support of the house on jack stands, but again, it could be
that these units are not being built with a correct alignment connection.I believe this could be corrected with a
“knuckle connection” design so that when the two halves are bolted together the
ceiling and floor are ‘forced’ to align themselves together.Your company might be well advised to obtain
some type of patent on this “knuckle” connection method for manufactured
houses.
2.Exterior
a.Exterior wall
stucco. After the two halves of the house were connected the Redman factory
sent out a crew to stucco each end of the house where the marriage line occurs
and patch and make repairs around the exterior as necessary.I will save you the gory details and grief of
what happened over several months, but this factory crew or crews made at least
four trips from Chandler, AZ to our location in Boulevard, CA, a drive of at
least five hours one way.Unfortunately,
they never did a decent job of matching the stucco texture and pattern at
various places on the house.Also, they
were very sloppy and splattered stucco over the front porch and now it is left
to me to correct this situation.Please
note that this particular type of stucco cannot easily be removed from wood and
wood products without damage.I don’t
know if this stucco situation was caused by worker incompetence, if the workers
were influenced by some outside medicine, if the workmen were weary after the
long drive or some other factor; but the stucco repair job remains, in my
humble opinion, unacceptable and a poor representation of the Champion
Enterprises, Inc., Redman product.
b.Exterior wall
cracks. We chose to locate our Redman House, 762B up here in the mountains
where the weather might be as cold as 15 degrees F. with snow in the winter and
as hot as 115 degrees F. in the summer.For obvious reasons we chose the Redman 762B option of six inch thick
exterior walls with extra insulation.Likewise we opted for extra insulation above the ceiling and beneath the
floor.We believe this was a prudent energy
conservation measure although as with all options and upgrades, it did cost us
more money at time of purchase.Along
with this ‘beefed up’ insulation measure we chose a stucco treatment for the
exterior walls for protection from the weather and to provide some measure of
fire deterrent.We now observe after
spending a winter and a summer in this home, that there are numerous vertical
and horizontal cracks in the external walls around the perimeter of the
house.These cracks seem to follow the
edges of paneling placed beneath the stucco exterior finish.I will not pretend to be an expert at this,
but it certainly looks to me that there should have been some sort of nylon
taping or some other treatment of these edges/cracks where two panels
abut.A few cracks at corners of doors
and occasionally windows that run at a 45 degree angle to the door/window
opening are usually expected due to movement of the walls of the house.These cracks of which I write are not the
type of cracks created by flexing of the walls or torquing of the structure.It seems to me that a simple nylon mesh
taping of the panel joints, similar to that used with drywall finishing, at the
factory before application of stucco would solve or minimize this problem.
c.Exterior roof
sealing.The Redman model 762B is a
“Santa Fe” design utilizing parapet walls and thus no roof overhang.This is an excellent architectural design for
this fire prone area, but it demands a thoroughly sealed roof so rain and snow
runoff will properly exit scuppers in the perimeter walls.In March 2006 after we obtained an occupancy
permit from the County of San Diego we moved into the house and within
twenty-four hours a 12 inch snowfall greeted us.Within another day the drywall in the master
bedroom ceiling began to sag and water dripped onto the floor.Again, I will spare you with all the details,
but within a short time a large chunk of the ceiling drywall fell onto the
floor, ruining the carpeting in the process.At about the same time we also noticed bubbles, approximately 10 inches
square in at least two locations on the inside of exterior walls.We quickly found out that these bubbles were
filled with water.Water was
accumulating behind the parapet walls.It
was seeping down from the roof into the walls and accumulating inside the house
behind latex paint which sagged and bubbled much like a balloon filled with
water.After repairs were made we were
told that the roofing and or roof drain area behind the parapet wall had not
been properly sealed.We believe this to
be a serious manufacturing mistake.
3.Editorial comment.
a.Quality
control. I think at this point I need to inject into this letter a couple of
editorial comments that apply to problems we have encountered outside and
inside the house.Some issues have
previously been mentioned and some are yet to be mentioned.We believe these issues are faults mostly
caused by the factory.In my opinion
these problems are the result of questionable cost saving measures (low cost
materials), poor initial design of elements of the unit or substandard factory
construction methods.Whatever the
reasons might be, these problems place a significant burden on the new
homeowner, your customer.I believe this
occurs because of poor quality materials, inadequate design, lack of quality
control at the factory or by factory employed workers sent out to make
corrections on the jobsite are shifted to the shoulders of the new
homeowner.Do you believe this is
fair?I believe this is an unfair burden
to place on a new home owner who may have had an outlay of $ 150,000 or much
more for the house with numerous options and upgrades.And of course, this shifts expense from the
manufacturer to the customer.It may be
a profit maker for the manufacturer, but it results in a ‘hidden cost’ to the
purchaser of your product.
b.As-built
drawings. It also seems that there is no such thing as ‘as-built’ drawings
available for the home owner.That’s a
shame, because when it comes to trouble shooting a problem in the house, it
would make things much easier and less costly to have such drawings at a proper
scale for the homeowner.Early on I
asked for as built drawings and did receive small drawings (11” X 18”).These are not what I would consider ‘as-built’,
they are of minimal value and do not show all critical features of the house
such as electrical and plumbing.We
believe this type of information is so important to the homeowner/customer that
we would have been willing to purchase these drawings if they were available.
4.Interior ‘Fit
and Finish’
a.Alignment of
interior walls. I previously mentioned in item 1 b above the misalignment of
the two house halves and how this leads to problems.These corrections are difficult to make away
from the factory, after the house is placed on the site.Most on-site contractors are ill prepared to
do this type of work and the labor intensive nature of the work will cost the
factory or the homeowner.In our
particular situation the misalignment of walls required an outside contractor
to demolish large sections of drywall to expose the studs and re-plane wood
surfaces in order to align the drywall.Once patches are completed they are usually visible even when textured
and painted.This seems so unnecessary
to me if the walls and ceiling were just located and aligned properly at the
factory.
b.Wall
finishing. Throughout the house, drywall placement, taping and texturing varies
extremely and is generally poor.I
presume most of this was done at the factory.It seems to us that quality control and craft consistency should be a
higher order of business.
c.Cabinet
construction. My previous letter of August 2, 2007, was specifically directed
to identify our kitchen cabinet failure.I will not repeat this liturgy, but it would be worth mentioning to you
that my wife has removed much of her crystal, china and other breakable items
from several of the other shelves in the kitchen cabinets after observing that
those shelves were sagging.After this
incident we are truly afraid to place much of anything in our cabinets.It would seem to me that cabinet shelves
should support a normal amount of weight.This is another example of ‘cost saving’ by using a rather thin pressed
wood material for shelves where something stronger should be used.Possibly a thicker pressed wood shelf would
work along with metal, not plastic, holders.
d.Garbage
disposal location. This issue may seem odd to you, but to the woman of the
house it is important.It seems strange
that when the Redman unit arrives on the site from the factory the garbage
disposal unit is on the left side of the kitchen double drain sink while the
dishwasher is located to the right of said sink.For those of us who may from time to time
clean dishes and place them in the dishwasher, the design would be much more
functional if the garbage disposal was on the right side of the sink, thus
permitting the ‘clean up person’ to clean off plates and other items and place
them into the dishwasher without dripping dirty dishes across clean pots and
pans that might have been left in a drain basket to dry.In our opinion this is a fundamental design
mistake.
e.Exterior
sliding doors and sliding screens. We ordered our home with two sliding glass
doors, one for the family room and one for the living room.These doors arrive with sliding screen doors.
We noticed from the very day we moved
into this house that the sliding doors and screen doors were difficult to open
and close.Even after they were adjusted
by a representative of the factory.These ‘screen sliders’ remained difficult to operate and occasionally
come completely out of their tracks and fall off.We suspect that problem is the result of very
low cost doors with plastic wheels.To
rectify this problem I bought two much more expensive sliding screen doors to
replace the factory screen doors.We
believe the factory could provide sliding doors with metal wheels and this
might alleviate this problem.Plastic
wheels and cheaper doors are an example of a so called “cost saving” on behalf
of the factory and again it shifts this problem to the shoulders of the
customer.
f.Interior/exterior
hinged doors and door openings.We’ve
had problems with nearly every interior and exterior hinged door.There seems to be an inability to latch doors
properly or they will not stay open when physically ordered to do so.The fitting of these doors is so bad that one
can see light between the doors and door jambs.This is at least partly due to door openings not being constructed ‘square’
and thus doors are misaligned and do not open or close properly.If this is easily seen by the human eye when
light passes between the door and frame, it should be corrected.
g.Quality of
countertops in kitchen and bathrooms.Again, this is a matter of poor quality materials in our
estimation.If something has dried on the
countertop one cannot use a soft scrubber (designed for delicate pots and pans)
because it scratches the surface.Once
scratched, the scratches are there forever.And on a closely related matter we have had two counter tops replaced
one adjacent to the kitchen sink and one on the kitchen island due to sand/grit
located between the counter top and the laminate, which results in a raised
bump.These came from the factory this
way.And to our consternation one of the
replaced counter tops shows evidence of a few raised bumps.The blame for these issues is material
control at the factory and poor repair work on the job site.
h.Placement of
light switches. We also noted that several light switches are located in poor
locations and one in particular was located right at the marriage line in the
living room.When interior walls do not
align, the light switches and covers/plates will be located strangely jutting
away from the wall surface. The light switch in the utility/laundry room
(washer, dryer and furnace) is located such that one has to walk through the
darkened room in order to turn the light switch on because it is on the wrong
side of the room near an exterior door.Two ‘three way’ switches located on opposite walls would have been a
good useable feature.
i.Plastic
holders for closet rods.Shortly after
moving into our new home, a closet rod came crashing down in the master
closet.This rod was not holding an
unusual amount of weight, but because of a poor quality plastic device holding
the wooden rods on each end we quickly found out that a normal amount of weight
on any rod would cause the plastic fittings in all closets to break or
crack.Not just one, but several either
broke or were detected to have cracks in the plastic and we replaced them.We subsequently reconstructed every closet
rod holder in the house by using self manufactured wood holders.Metal hanging rods would be a nice touch
also, but we understand this would be a significant cost increase.
5.Electrical
a.Incorrect gage
of electrical wiring. You can imagine my shock when one day shortly after we
moved into our new home my wife turned on her electric hair dryer in her
bathroom and all the lights that were on in the house dimmed significantly.This was the first evidence that we might
have a problem with the electrical system in this house.This, I might add, is a serious health and
safety issue.After discussing this
problem several times with several paid electrical contractors we finally
determined that at least some of the problem was electrical wires emanating
from the internal circuit breaker box in the utility room.They were of insufficient gage to carry a
normal electrical load.Another aspect
of the problem might be the design layout of the electrical circuits within the
house, although without ‘as-built’ drawings we don’t know.This problem was especially irritating when
we had paid additional monies for an upgrade to a 200 ampere circuit breaker
panel in the house and realized this turned out to be a waste of money and
unnecessary given other problems.I am
convinced that the gage of the electrical wiring in this house is too small,
probably another cost saving measure and the circuits are not properly designed
for load distribution throughout the house.
b.Outside
electrical receptacles. Shortly after moving in I decided I needed my portable
air compressor for some small job outside the house.I plugged the electrical powered air
compressor into an outside receptacle and there was just enough power to barely
turn over the motor.Other attempts to
place an electrical load on these receptacles/ground fault interrupters
resulted in insufficient power.I’m not
an electrician, but I do know something is wrong with these circuits.
In conclusion, I would like to say a few positive things
about the house we purchased.For a
couple of old retired people we think the floor plan for this house is ideal
for our needs.It’s open, airy and the nine
foot ceiling (another option at additional cost) is certainly worth the money.I think it’s fair to say we love our Model
762B house, but we also know it could be better with some design thought and
care from the factory.We think the
vinyl doors and window trim are excellent for our location.We visited a couple of factories before we
bought this home and that was one deciding factor when we saw other
manufactures with wood external doors and window trim.
When one looks at the construction of this house in a
philosophic manner, there are several things the producer of this type of
product should take into consideration.If one wants to make the decision to reduce the cost of certain
materials, this should be done very carefully.Less costly items of hardware should be in places that are not used
daily.When one uses things daily and
these items don’t work correctly or cause problems that does not bode well for
Champion Enterprise, Inc.
All the comments and suggestions I’ve made herein are
intended to be constructive criticism in a positive manner.Thank you for your time reading this rather
long letter.Again, I offer to respond
to any questions or comments.Please
don’t hesitate to contact me at the various communication modes listed below.
9/19/2007 10:24 AM
brenda wrote:
oh, my god i'am so glad i ran across this information.we just started looking at homes and the redman was one of our choices.not only will it not be a redman but it wont be a manufactured home at all.i knew you could have some problems but never like that.thanks for your help you saved us a lot of headachs.sorry you had learn the hard way.brenda Reply to this
9/20/2007 11:36 AM
Mike wrote:
I am glad this information was helpful. Potential buyers can never have too much information before deciding which home best fits their needs.